Garand Cartridge Belts
July 24, 2014
Please Note: CMP does not offer Garand Cartridge Belts for sale.
Greek Cold War and U.S. World War Belts
In 2011 and 2012 The CMP sold a large quantity of Garand cartridge belts. They are Cold War era Greek military belts that are a close copy of the U.S. M-1910 cartridge belt used in both World Wars. Mr. Michaels asked me to post some information comparing the Greek belts to the U.S. Military belts. Images shown courtesy of http://www.popernack.com.
During the M1 Garand’s service life there were two main cartridge belts in infantry use:
The M-1910 Infantry Belt was produced from 1911 to 1920 and had ten pockets to carry 100 cartridges on five round stripper clips for the M1903 or M1917 Rifles. There were many minor variations of pocket snap types and fabric construction. These belts continued in service through WWII and would also hold 80 .30 caliber cartridges on eight round Garand clips.
The M-1923 Dismounted Belt retained most of the features of the late WWI era M-1910 belts and added an improved buckle (easier to use), and improved size adjustment mechanism (cheaper to produce). Few if any were produced prior to 1941, but they continued in production until about 1960.
There are other similar contemporary belts for Cavalry or Mounted use, as well as some experimental versions, but that is a topic for another day. Here are a few comparison pictures of M-1910, M-1923, and the Greek belts.
1. Front view comparison of 1918 dated M-1910 Infantry, 1943 dated M-1923 Dismounted, and Greek Cartridge Belts.
2. Front view comparison of 1943 and 1945 dated M-1923 Dismounted belts and the Greek belt. Notice the U.S. markings not on the Greek belt and also the use of “pot metal” zinc alloy buckles on the 1945 and Greek belts rather than the brass buckle on the 1943 belt.
3. The main difference between a M-1910 and a M-1923 belt is the size adjustment mechanism at the back. The M-1910 uses a wire hook and grommets and the M-1923 relies just on friction between the webbing and buckles.
4. Closeup of the hooks and eyelets of the M-1910 and Greek belts. As you can see the Greek belt is a copy of the M-1910 style but uses smaller hooks and grommets.
5. Here are the M-1910 and M-1923 belt size adjusters correctly assembled.
6. Comparison of the 1918 dated M-1910, 1943 dated M-1923, 1950 dated M-1923, and Greek belts. Each pocket held two five round stripper clips or one eight round Garand clip. Note the small strap and snap in the 1943 belt’s pocket. Early M-1910 and WWII era M-1923 belts used this strap to secure one of the two five round stripper clips. Late WWI M-1910 and Post-WWII Army contract M-1923s deleted the strap. Post-WWII USMC contracted M-1923s retained the divider strap until the end of production. Also note the zinc alloy buckle used on the 1945 and Greek belts. U.S. belts used this rather than brass as a wartime economy measure, but returned to brass hardware in the 1950s. Finally note the differences in grommet size and placement between the different belts (see arrows) and also the added reenforcement fabric on the Greek belts flaps. The Greek belt is a close copy of the M-1910 design, but has some unusual features like pocket flap reenforcement and also the reversed positioning of the buckle. The male portion of the buckle is on the right side of U.S. belts and the left of the Greek belt.
It is curious the Greeks copied the older cartridge belt design, since the last M-1910 was produced in 1920. Possibly they recieved some obsolete M-1910 belts along with the M1903 rifles we provided as military assistance in the late 1940s.
Altogether the Greek belt is both an interesting Cold War era collectable and a quality belt that could serve reenactors or recreational shooters well.
Mike Popernack
Since these are gi produced during the war years and after are/should there be public records of the cloth sewing pattern?
E-bay has some at reasonable prices. I bought a M-1923 which looks to be a post-war production in decent shape. It has no retainer straps in the pouches, and all the closure buttons still work pretty well. Some of the belts on e-bay are pretty banged up, but of course, rich in history. Something one never sees is whether these came in different sizes, although they are adjustable. Weeding through the reproductions on e-bay perhaps this is just a designation they use. For a bigger guy, these seem to max out around 48″ belt size. I can’t make out the printing on mine, so I can’t tell if it has a size designation. The adjustment strap is 22 inches long. It’s just barely big enough to squeeze around my waist (hey, a guy gets pretty comfortable by the time he can afford an M1 Garand). Removing it, however, is quite difficult. There is no way I’d be able to wear this around a field jacket. I’m in the process of looking for 2″ webbing to make my own, longer adjustment belt for the back. I found some, but finding the hardware to finish the ends is more difficult.
I believe atthefront.com has big fellow extenders for these belts. Look there.
Is it possible to purchase one of these US M-1923 belts? Would love to have this as an add on for my M1!
Devon, We do not offer this item for sale. You may be able to check other sources online.
Thanks,
Christine
I have one if you’re interested.
I’m interested in the belt
I have 2 of the belts if you are still looking…Maurice
If they’re m1923’s then I’m interested! Just email me with details! Thanks!
-Tony
Tony, CMP does not offer Garand Cartridge Belts for sale.
Thanks,
Christine
i have a couple of them. 8433848681
Garrison – what kind of shape are they in?? Will they hold the 8 rd clips?? Pls email me with pics if possible at
[email protected]
Thank you
Not shown are the Mills 1910 belt with the pleated pocket style used in WW-1
I will try to send some pictures of what I think is a US Army belt. If anyone can tell me what it is, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks
how can I buy one of these belts???
Charles,
I’ll forward your question onto our Armorers and they may be able to help assist you.
Thank you,
Christine
I bought one of the surplus usgi belts with my paper route earnings in 1957 to go with my .22, then I gave it to my nephew when I enlisted in 1963. I qualified on the M1 ;0) in Basic, then got the M-14 c/w the four 20 rd mag pouches : 0| in Germany. Now I’ve got one M-14, and THREE M1s!!! I wish I still had that 30-06 cartridge belt….
I have 2 of the belts if you are still looking…Maurice
belt still avbl? [email protected]
I don’t believe so but I’ll forward you inquiry onto our Sales staff.
Thanks,
Christine
Hi Murphy,
There is a fairly unknown place called Norms Military Historical Collectables (1750 to present)
in Lansing Illinois.
It is not open to the public, just by appointment only.
The owner, who recently passed away was a collector of military gear for 70 years.
He has a collection that includes the Spanish American war, Civil war, WW 1, WW2, Korean War, Vietnam and a bit of the Iraq War. Lots of web gear,pouches, helmets, bayonets, etc.
This stuff was once pretty common. As time goes on, original pieces are becoming harder to procure and prices are going up! The lady now running things is Debbie.
If your so inclined, you can contact her at:
[email protected]